We were lucky to grab some time with Jamie and asked him a few questions about his success...
Talk us through your entrepreneurial journey, how did you end up where you are today?
I suppose I started my entrepreneurial journey at the ripe old age of 14, I started fixing bicycles for people that lived on the same street as me, I took old parts off of their bikes, replacing them with parts that they had bought, I kept the old parts, repaired them and then started selling them on. So, I guess from a very young age I was into making money.
"I went from making £4,000,000 revenue, £400,000 loss in 2010/11, to selling the business for just over £40,000,000 in 2017 and BGP had a great impact on that."
I wasn’t very fortunate at school because I was dyslexic, so at 16 when it came to leaving school, I didn’t sit any GCSE’s, I just left and went straight in to work. I started a window cleaning round that I ran for about 8 or 9 months and I had a few people working for me. I decided to put it up for sale in the classified ads section of the newspaper and sold it for £6,000. With that money I bought some second-hand cars, I rented a piece of land and started selling vehicles.
Unfortunately for me, Transport for London came along and painted double red lines outside my car showroom, I say “showroom”, it was a piece of grass on the corner of a main road! The business went from making about £1,500 per week to making nothing. So I had to pack up shop, as I did that I realised that Transport for London was putting all of this infrastructure in place to start fining people, but how were they going to collect this stuff? And that’s what made me get into, what was then called, outsourced debt collection services for government.
I set that up in 2004 and ran it through to 2016, and during that journey in 2010 I got to a pivotal point in the business, it was making £4,000,000 revenue and losing £400,000 per year, I didn’t know where to turn, I didn’t know if I was the right person to carry on running the business. I had looked into a variety of courses and I came across Cranfield [School of Management] and that’s when I booked myself on to the Business Growth Programme.
"I had this nervousness of coming to a University, it’s big and it’s bright and it’s full of very educated people, but I got over that, I went and it was the best decision I ever made!"
BGP [the Business Growth Programme] was an amazing experience, some of my best friends today I met on that course; but I was nervous, I went off to Cranfield having not had any formal education before and actually I was a bit annoyed with education because I couldn’t understand why dyslexia wasn’t recognised whilst I was at school and why I wasn’t helped, I was just pushed away. So I had this nervousness of coming to a University, it’s big and it’s bright and it’s full of very educated people, but I got over that, I went and it was the best decision I ever made!
In that short period of BGP, which at the time was 3 months of coming along every other weekend, which was a big commitment when you have other things going on, especially running a business, I learnt everything! But the biggest thing I took away from BGP was confidence, I had the confidence to go back into my business and take it to the next level. I went from making £4,000,000 revenue, £400,000 loss in 2010/11, to selling the business for just over £40,000,000 in 2017 and BGP had a great impact on that.
Throughout my life I’ve listened to lots of advice from lots of people and read probably up to a couple of thousand business books, but there’s one thing that really sticks out for me and it came from BGP, and that was the ‘bet big’ message, and it’s a strange one because it’s not the message that you would normally tend to hear coming from a University, but they really spoke highly of it, which was ‘bet big if you want to succeed’.
I went away from BGP and invested £3,000,000 into developing technology, now for a company that was only turning over £4,000,000 and didn’t have facilities to get the £3,000,000 that was betting big! But, if I hadn’t changed my business model from a services company to a technology company, there’s no way I would be where I am today.
Inspirations and motivations, there’s one thing I can say it’s that they just change, I remember early on in business thinking ‘Richard Branson is my inspiration’ because let’s face it he’s a friendly entrepreneur that everyone knows. When business started to get tough and I realised, ‘actually, this is about grit and determination’, I started to think of people like Michael O’Leary at Ryan Air, thinking ‘this guy actually gets it, it’s hard work, it’s making tough decisions’, and then as you start to reap the rewards of your hard work and you’ve sold a business or two, you start to get a bit softer in your old age I guess, and you start to really view other people and other things that are inspiring, and one of the biggest inspirations in my life is my eldest brother. My eldest brother’s not a businessman, actually he’s a social worker, but he also adopts children and his core values have never changed, which is all about family, and I’ve had to go on a journey to get there but that’s what motivates me now, I’ve got a family and everything I do from business through to personal life is motivated through that.
The three lessons I’ve learnt in scaling and growing a business, and the most important one of the three is that 'it takes hard work'. Anyone who thinks that this is easy, it actually annoys me that it’s so easy to set-up a business these days because you can sort of put a business plan together and crowd fund and get going and see how it goes, it’s not the reality, it takes hard work and determination to get going and that’s just the initial step, because then to take it any further, you need to 'understand basic business principals'; and that’s my second lesson, if you don’t understand the value in metrics and management accounts and measuring things, then it’s going to be pretty difficult to keep that business alive.
The third one is, 'what doesn’t get measured, doesn’t get done!' So you’ve got to set KPI’s, you’ve got to manage people, you’ve got to manage processes, these things don’t just manage themselves.
7 Habits of Highly Effective People' and 'From Good to Great
Podcasts
FT Start-up Stories
Magazines/Papers
The Sunday Times' and 'The Financial Times' (just the weekend section). Jamie says, "between those, you capture everything, globally, that there is to know about business."
Film/TV
Lots on the Bloomberg Channel “it does a range of programmes, they either interview some of the most successful entrepreneurs in the world, ranging from Mark Zuckerberg to Bill Gates, or they wrap-up a documentary around them, interviewing people close to them and that have worked with them, and it’s just fantastic TV.”
Apps/WebApps
Jamie says that there is one app in particular that "really adds value to my daily business life", and that’s 'DocuSign', Jamie says it allows him to “sign legal documents, deal documents, contracts, all via my phone whilst I'm on the go!". Plus 'Twitter' and 'Instagram', "the amount of contacts I'm making through them is just exceptional, I'm even getting investment opportunities directly from these platforms”.
'Unsexy Business', the title of Jamie's latest book release, discover the entrepreneurs that are "making thrilling amounts of cash, in remarkably dull sectors."
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